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	<title>Comments on: Army Wants Synthetic Gills</title>
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	<description>If it was easy, anyone could do it.</description>
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		<title>by: Steve Skubinna</title>
		<link>http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/army-wants-synthetic-gills/#comment-58316</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>James, it could work that way.  Whether it'd be worth it would depend on how heavy, massive, complex, and expensive the gills turn out to be (or turn out not to be - well, you know what I mean).  Of course, like anything else they'll get smaller and probably cheaper with development.

It seems to me that the best application for this would be in small, relatively self contained systems intended for very long submersion.  I think an underwater dwelling or workshop would be cool - you could stick a team of SpecOps guys somewhere offshore and have them wait for... whatever.  Or else have a team reach the shoreline and disappear - no submarine to track or boat to chase, and when you figure they're long gone, they come back.

But new technology has a way of ending up in forms, and having effects radically different from what was initially envisioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, it could work that way.  Whether it&#8217;d be worth it would depend on how heavy, massive, complex, and expensive the gills turn out to be (or turn out not to be - well, you know what I mean).  Of course, like anything else they&#8217;ll get smaller and probably cheaper with development.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the best application for this would be in small, relatively self contained systems intended for very long submersion.  I think an underwater dwelling or workshop would be cool - you could stick a team of SpecOps guys somewhere offshore and have them wait for&#8230; whatever.  Or else have a team reach the shoreline and disappear - no submarine to track or boat to chase, and when you figure they&#8217;re long gone, they come back.</p>
<p>But new technology has a way of ending up in forms, and having effects radically different from what was initially envisioned.
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		<title>by: James Agenbroad</title>
		<link>http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/army-wants-synthetic-gills/#comment-58036</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Skubinna-- Wouldn't you assume that the gill system was just supplying oxygen to a rebreather system?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skubinna&#8211; Wouldn&#8217;t you assume that the gill system was just supplying oxygen to a rebreather system?
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		<title>by: Steve Skubinna</title>
		<link>http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/army-wants-synthetic-gills/#comment-58018</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Navy uses several different types of diving equipment, depending on the mission.  There are surface supplied systems, like those you saw in the movie Men of Honor (only much more modern than the old Mk 5)  There are SCUBA systems much like commercial and sport divers use, and for tactical use where bubbles are undesireable there are rebreathers, which scrub CO2 and introduce O2 as needed, recycling the breathing gas.

SEALs and underwater EOD (mine clearance) use the latter.  In the case of EOD, it's because open circuit systems like SCUBA produce noise which you don't want around acoustic mines (also, current rebreathers are nonmagnetic because guess what you don't want to have around magnetic mines).

A gill based system probably would not replace the rebreathers unless it somehow avoided releasing exhaled gas into the water (and it'd have to go somewhere - you couldn't store it on the diver because it would affect buoyancy).  Also, you'd probably want a small bottle of nitrogen or other inert gas to mix with the oxygen because O2 is toxic at high concentrations.  Breathing oxygen at a partial pressure of 2.0 (which you get with regular air at less than three hundred feet depth) will produce convulsions and unconsciousness - your mileage may vary.  Regardless, having these things happen underwater will fatally kill you to death.

None of these musings in any way takes away my astonishment at thie line of research.  If successful, it would be the greatest breakthrough in diving since Cousteau's aqualung.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Navy uses several different types of diving equipment, depending on the mission.  There are surface supplied systems, like those you saw in the movie Men of Honor (only much more modern than the old Mk 5)  There are SCUBA systems much like commercial and sport divers use, and for tactical use where bubbles are undesireable there are rebreathers, which scrub CO2 and introduce O2 as needed, recycling the breathing gas.</p>
<p>SEALs and underwater EOD (mine clearance) use the latter.  In the case of EOD, it&#8217;s because open circuit systems like SCUBA produce noise which you don&#8217;t want around acoustic mines (also, current rebreathers are nonmagnetic because guess what you don&#8217;t want to have around magnetic mines).</p>
<p>A gill based system probably would not replace the rebreathers unless it somehow avoided releasing exhaled gas into the water (and it&#8217;d have to go somewhere - you couldn&#8217;t store it on the diver because it would affect buoyancy).  Also, you&#8217;d probably want a small bottle of nitrogen or other inert gas to mix with the oxygen because O2 is toxic at high concentrations.  Breathing oxygen at a partial pressure of 2.0 (which you get with regular air at less than three hundred feet depth) will produce convulsions and unconsciousness - your mileage may vary.  Regardless, having these things happen underwater will fatally kill you to death.</p>
<p>None of these musings in any way takes away my astonishment at thie line of research.  If successful, it would be the greatest breakthrough in diving since Cousteau&#8217;s aqualung.
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		<title>by: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/army-wants-synthetic-gills/#comment-58015</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Army has their own diving capability, independent of the Navy, as noted &lt;a href="http://www.wood.army.mil/577th/diver/" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://wwwnt.cnet.navy.mil/ndstc/army_diver.htm" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  But I'm told that the training, equipment, and doctrine are generally similar.

I'm not a diver myself, but it appears that, besides the obvious benefits to the diver, a tankless system would reduce the logistical support requirements for deployed diving detachments.  

I suspect that the Navy is letting the Army foot the bill for this one, not to mention having to work out any bugs in the system.  



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Army has their own diving capability, independent of the Navy, as noted <a href="http://www.wood.army.mil/577th/diver/" title="" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://wwwnt.cnet.navy.mil/ndstc/army_diver.htm" title="" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  But I&#8217;m told that the training, equipment, and doctrine are generally similar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a diver myself, but it appears that, besides the obvious benefits to the diver, a tankless system would reduce the logistical support requirements for deployed diving detachments.  </p>
<p>I suspect that the Navy is letting the Army foot the bill for this one, not to mention having to work out any bugs in the system.
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		<title>by: Kevin Connors</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interestingly, that was one of &lt;a href="http://www.sgtstryker.com/index.php/archives/what-a-magnificent-anachronism/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Carl Sagan's points last night&lt;/a&gt; (communicating with whales, actually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, that was one of <a href="http://www.sgtstryker.com/index.php/archives/what-a-magnificent-anachronism/" rel="nofollow">Carl Sagan&#8217;s points last night</a> (communicating with whales, actually).
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